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Wednesday, February 5, 2020

Concluding the Case for Closing the Book on a Self-Management Sun City Anthem Restaurant

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10 comments:

  1. From Valerie Lapin...to...Anthem Opinions 

    You have outdone yourself in showing all the restaurants that have failed! 

    It must have taken a lot of digging and time to collect this information. 

    There are some people living here who won’t let the truth educate themselves. 

    We have a large population of “newbies” living here, and hopefully they will let this information sink in.

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  2. Thank you Valerie.

    I would urge those who read Anthem Opinions to forward this information to those who do not.

    This is a very passionate issue with the community, and those who refuse to acknowledge what I have brought to light, are only refusing to accept reality.

    They will likely be the ones to blame others for a failure WHEN, not IF it happens.

    Sadly, the "newbies", many of who pay such little attention to community matters, will likely be the ones who will pay the price for incompetence as a result.

    Yes, it took time and research, but that's due to CARING for those who have not been as fortunate in life as I have.

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  3. From Rich Wolford...to...Anthem Opinions

    If given the opportunity I believe the space would be better utilized as a senior assistance center.

    Looking around the nation there are more senior day care centers opening up to assist seniors who are disabled and need assistance during the day. 

    Having such a place available to seniors who’s partner is disabled to the point where they need some type of assistance while their mate loved one takes care of such things as grocery shopping, running errands or just having a break from taking care of their loved one, would be of immeasurable help. 

    I am sure there are a number of these companies who would jump at the chance to set up shop in such a space.

    Yes there would probably be some type of hourly charge to use such a service to the users, but I would imagine it would be on par with service offered by casinos for hourly child care.

    I would rather see the association invest in his type of operation that has a need already.

    While I am not a financial wizard, I believe costs could be off set for re-purposing in some type of credit on taxes, or there might be some type of grant available to assist in setting up such a place. 

    As to use, I believe there are many more spouses in our association and nearby who would jump at a chance to have such a facility available.

    Additionally it would fit well with the associations values and goals for providing a comfortable senior experience.

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  4. To: Rich Wolford.

    First I agree there are many alternatives to another restaurant, that has limited support and in my opinion is sure to fail as in the past.
    Further, I think your suggestion is innovative and provides a clear alternative for the space. Frankly we need that kind of thinking on the SCA Board. I will look forward to you considering running for the Board in the future.

    Peter Brown

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  5. From Tony Orzada...to...Anthem Opnions

    Good series of news on the DUMB idea of a restaurant.

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  6. From Hal Sacks...to...Anthem Opinions

    Thanks for posting the concerns of many in our association. 

    Hal Sacks

    Email sent to SCA Board:

    To whom it may concern and the SCA BOARD OF DIRECTORS,

    1. Are there any real world restaurateurs on our board who are qualified to take on the management of this proposed self managed restaurant?2.

    If you are so certain of it’s “benefits and need” to our community, why are you unwilling to cap it’s financial expense so that the 7,100 plus homeowners in SCA will not bear the financial impact to our association? 

    3. I for one, do not see any real evidence that our community needs a self managed restaurant.

    4. Let there be complete and honest disclosures to the constituents of our SCA community.


    Response from Board member David Weil

    Thank you for your questions.  The decision to go ahead or not is most difficult for all of the Board members.  So we appreciate hearing from the residents.

    In response to your questions:

    1. Presently there is no board member who has restaurant experience. And there may or may not be anyone with that experience on future boards.  However, several of us have extensive business experience, so we have learned from that experience that we must hire the best possible restaurant people to lead and manage the effort. 

    In addition, Sandy Seddon has managed restaurants in other HOA's that she has managed.

    As a Board, we have talked with consultants and others who have operated restaurants, so as to have the best possible information available to us.

    2. Everyone that I have talked with has an idea about what this concern means. 

    For example, if the restaurant continues to cost homeowners between $20-40 per year, do we stop providing the amenity after a given number of years? 

    Or does it mean if there is a spike in the cost or drop in the revenue, do we stop providing the amenity or do we take immediate corrective action instead? 

    So the question really becomes one that future boards might have to deal with.

    3. Thank you for your opinion.

    4. The reason for the workshops is provide residents with all of the information that we have today, and receive questions and comments from residents.

    We may not have all of the answers, but if the board votes to go forward, in the future we certainly will be able to respond in the areas that we have identified.

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  7. Hal, thanks for forwarding your comment to us, the email sent to the SCA Board, and the response from Board member David Weil.

    Now to OUR COMMENTS to Mr. Wwil's email to you

    A ridiculous answer. No relevant experience but you have to hire the best restaurant people?

    If you have no experience at the restaurant industry, how would you know what the best person for the job would be?

    So Seddon has managed a restaurant, that makes her an expert? How about disclosing the ENTIRE results of HER success at such a venture?

    Stop the amenity nonsense, Dave. An amenity is STRICTLY 100% for members and their guests, yet you are peddling that though you won't market to outsiders, they will be admitted. If they are allowed, IT'S NOT AN AMENITY, which presents a tax problem.

    Spike in the revenue? Who are you kidding?

    Dave, you yourself admitted you wouldn't invest in the place, so I would use the terminology, complete loss of entire operation.

    Botton line Dave, is that your proposal is simply "let's dump $300,000, increase dues, and let's see what happens?

    Even a casino would likely give you 1000 to 1 odds on this idea possibly succeeding.

    It's completely blowing smoke, and with all the restaurants cited that are BROKE, no one in their right mind would bet on its success.

    Open your eyes. The entire proposition is a complete loser; you know it, I know it, but the difference between you and me is I GIVE A DAMN about prudently spending others money and you certainly DON'T.

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  8. From Elizabeth Breier...to...Anthem Opinions

    An Email sent to the Board of Directors, Sun City Anthem:

    While I don't believe having a self-managed restaurant is prudent, it appears from the tone at the 3 presentations that I attended (Board Meeting and 2 workshops) that it is a fait accompli.

    That said, I disagree with some of my fellow residents that are also opposed in that if such a venture is undertaken, it SHOULD be marketed to surrounding communities.

    At least initially, it makes sense to try to lure residents at Solera, Inspirada, Madeira Canyon, at the very least, in order to help defray some of the costs the residents are expected to underwrite.

    The reasons expressed for not having outsiders is so that the restaurant complies with other amenities, but since I don't believe this is an amenity in the true sense of the definition in SCA, I don't see why we would shoot ourselves in the foot and not at least try to get patrons from surrounding communities.

    No other amenity has a dedicated staff nor has any other amenity been dormant for 5 years.

    I also believe you need to revisit your "visions" as there is contradictory information therein.

    For example, you cite an average of $12 for lunch (including soft drink) and $14 for dinner (including soft drink) and yet your vision states that soft drinks will cost $2.00 with a net profit of $1.85 - so which is it?

    Will you include the drink with the meal?

    If so, you cannot show it as an add-on with an additional $1.85 in profit.

    Also, the vision indicates that 25% of patrons will order that soft drink, but if it is included with the meal - that's a non-issue.

    The visions also show that 50% of residents will order an alcoholic beverage - that's twice the number that will order a soft drink - apparently you are all dining with different folks than I know.

    While some of us do enjoy a quality wine or alcohol, many, many do not drink - many because of health issues at our advanced ages.

    The stats you are using apply to an area other than a retirement community because even soft drinks are less popular in this health conscious age and many I know simply want water with their meal.

    To use the excuse that this just a sample and things will change as the project moves forward is not acceptable.

    More of the actual facts need to be nailed down, including tax ramifications and insurance issues before the board votes and leaves us all saddled forever with an albatross.

    As an aside, this project is also harmful to Revere Golf Club which is struggling to stay afloat and rely heavily on Buckman's for revenues.

    The one thing every resident, golfer or not, can agree upon is that we do not want to see the golf courses die.

    Every property value will plummet in SCA.

    Thank you for your time and attention.

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  9. From Barry Goldstein...former member of the SCA Finance Committee...to...Anthem Opinions

    Dick, as you know, I asked director Weil:

    "If someone brought this proposal to you, with the CPA firm report, would you open this restaurant using 100% of your money?"

    His answer was no!

    Now they want us to risk our homes; that a senior will drink and drive; and maybe get into an accident, even killing someone.

    As per Candace Karrow, they want to put Seddon and OPeek on the liquor license, omitting board members, so as not to "inconvenience" them??

    Those two, have nothing to lose if we get sued.

    I say if you are asking us to put our homes at risk, you need to go through the background check, not employees on the license.

    I intend to, with a number of other homeowners, go to the city meeting and contest the variance request.

    All this so they can have a place for a sandwich and a beer.

    This in not a prudent way to spend our money. 

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  10. Dave Weil...

    Why don't you start here at BJ's restaurant for $8.00 to $12 bucks for a surefire meal? Why burden us here? See the ad available everywhere. Oh, the B.S. telling you say "we don't have transportation (?)", well that's why they invented Lyft or Uber. Cut the never ending story of having a damn restaurant. Even the impeachment is over. Time to do the same with this insanity of a restaurant. If your few buddies need a restaurant operating here for the cost of close to a million bucks, it sounds like you folks need to "pitch-in" and do it by yourselves.

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