This is beyond authority of a few....This is authority in a few person’s hand who don’t have the capacity to think or analyze a situation. This is a few running amok.
The arrogance of Karrow...Weil...Coleman...Quinn...Hadrick...to dictate to their children is beyond acceptable.
These 5 individuals must each pay the price for their inability to go beyond what management instructed without pursuing the real facts.
Further the new Board should evaluate the advice it is receiving from management.
I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist.
I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis.
I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession.
And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19.
I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil.
I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge.
But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others.
I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..."
...and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize.
And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too.
Can you even imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat.
Instead of reason, rationality, open mindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over.
It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it.
Stop waiting to be surprised further.
The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education.
We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society.
Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
What I find totally amazinng is that they already know they’re expecting to open the buildings on April 1.
As far as we know, the virus may spread and get worse and they would not be able to re-open the building.
If they are using the current number of cases as a current guideline for closures, I would assume that a widespread number of cases, especially in our area, would be cause enough to keep the buildings closed as of April 1.
When questioned arose about the ballots being dropped off, I was told not to worry about it because the buildings are open on April 1.
They already know that three weeks from Now, everything is gonna be OK?
Since we are dealing with an unknown and new variant of the corona virus, I feel that the correct action was taken by management to close the facilities and sanitize them.
I say this for a few reasons, first and foremost, we are a target population because of age and the possible comorbidities ( fancy word that means conditions that increase risk) that we may have with advancing age, such as coronary vascular disease, diabetes, hypertension, copd, cancer, etc.
Secondly, the incubation period, with no symptoms runs about five days, so you could have been exposed, caught the disease five days ago, show no symptoms, but still spread it.
The adage, better safe than sorry comes into play at this point.
We have had only minimal testing in the county, state and country, so that we only have minimal evidence of how widespread the contagion is. Again, we must err in the side of caution.
Finally, where I fully agree with you, how can management set a specific reopening date, unless of course they have a better crystal ball then the epidemiologists who at this point are not making predictions on the length of the epidemic.
Side note, I am a retired biomedical researcher and college professor.
I TOTALLY agree with the voice expressed from the Physician’s comments!!
I was in Disneyworld, Florida with my family, from Feb 22-Feb 26th.
There were THOUSANDS of people; actually it was so crowded, I had asked why, and was informed that there was a Marathon in town that weekend with 25,000 people participating.
This attributed to the larger crowds.
I was surprised that very few people, in Disneyworld and on the plane, wore Masks.
Now, Disney parks are closing, sporting events cancelled.
Stock market drastically down!
Now they close our Clubhouses!
What is wrong with this excessive “MADNESS!”
I am not panicking.
YES, I am more aware of being more protective of myself & others against germs, BUT....I feel I should have the option of being able to use the facilities; IF I CHOSE TO.
The Casinos are all open.
The N1R1 flu did not have the mass hysteria as the Coronavirus is having; and it was just as serious.
Has anyone really listed to the CDC opinions or to the President and Vice-President's televised updates (if you like the President or not).
Our Nation is in a State of Emergency. This virus is no joke!
I applaud the decision to close all our centers. It only takes ONE person, probably unknowingly, to past the virus to others. Most likely many others.
We are all over 55 and most likely a few years older which means we are ALL in the danger zone.
I can forgo cards, pool, walking, bunco, mah jongg and other activities for a few weeks to protect not only myself but my fellow friends and neighbors.
Really think about if the Centers remained open and that ONE person, who chooses to go to an activity, is caring the virus and then passes it on to their friends and neighbors unknowingly? How awful would that person (you) feel?!
I would feel awful if it was me and I'm sure this opinion page would sway the other way if we all started getting sick.
Don't be selfish. . .
Help protect yourself and your friends and neighbors.
Patricia, your message is very well received and you are indeed entitled to your opinion, but the statistics don't lie, and despite the caution, there is little anyone can do if you come into contact with an infected individual.
Do you do shopping? Do you feel threatened at a grocery store?
Do you feel threatened at restaurant?
Are you going to cease any of that activity?
My point is that you can't stop life unless you crawl in cubbie hole and stay there forever, and if one chooses not to go to an SCA location, that is their choice.
As was previously pointed out, there is a 99% chance of recovery if you contract the virus, and for some of us, that 1% probability of death isn't worth losing a single day of a life that's already on the backside.
Based upon your opinion about the closure of the clubhouses this is one area I strongly disagree with you!
It is better to be overly cautious to take precautions to protect the health of our senior community, the group that could be most seriously affected by this virus.
It is not an over reaction, but a cautious act to protect our welfare.
I am very glad that this has been done.
Imagine what could happen if there were to be an outbreak here.
It could have a serious health issue for everyone because seniors have compromised immune systems, and this illness could be a rampant disaster for everyone living here.
It is better to err on the side of caution than take chances.
The word “epidemic” is enough to do what is necessary to protect our health!
Valerie, you are fully entitled to your opinion, but as I previously mentioned to another reader, do you also plan not go to a grocery store, restaurant, casino, or any other venue, out of fear?
If you saw or heard about the lines at Costco, there was more "people contact" buying toilet paper in close proximity than you would ever see in Anthem Center playing cards.
Should Costco and all the other stores close because they create an unsafe environment?
Should they remain open to those who are not as concerned as you, or should their continuing to remain open, be looked at as not being concerned about the safety of others?
Which is it?
Honestly, the word "epidemic" hardly describes less than 20 positive tests out of 3,000,000 people living in Clark County.
Then again, it all amounts to "choice", not "command".
You should be able to decide such a matter yourself, as those of us refusing to "hit panic mode" should be allowed to express their feelings as well.
For some reason, when the SARS virus struck, no one seemed to panic and suggest "the world close its doors"...and...it all went away, didn't it ?
This short-sided decision by a General Manager and 5 of 7 Board members created havoc for clubs, activities, entertainment schedules, and the Board election.
No one was contacted to examine the effects of such havoc before it was created.
I wonder if those 6 individuals will now refrain from going to stores, restaurants, etc. ???
I'm concerned about hysteria without sufficient evidence.
What does this have to do with any survey?
My opinion is simply, let those who choose to close it, stay home; those opposed, have the choice to use what they have paid for in their assessments.
As I have said three times, do you plan to avoid grocery stores or restaurants as well?
You likely will encounter an even greater risk there than in a building of card players that by and large, does not allow outsiders to populate or visit.
5 deaths in 3,000,000 is not something I personally choose to consider a "pandemic"; and as a result ,I refuse to curtail my lifestyle on a theory that is based on fear, TV hysteria, and few casualties...
...especially when the past has had much greater health issues, yet somehow were cured without shutting down the world.
I might join your thought process if at least one confirmed case is discovered in our community, but until that takes place, I don't share your opinion of a a doomsday attitude.
What concerns me more, is a potential collapse of the entire world's economic system as a result.
If that took place, we might as well die rather than go through a Depression my parents had to live through for years until a war solved it.
I recently returned home from LVAC ( Las Vegas Athletic Club) where I have a membership and I attend 5 to 6 times a week.
Yes,the parking lot had fewer cars and there were definitely less people in the gym.
However, those of us who care to use it, at least have the ability to do so.
Am I careful? Yes of course.
I am taking extra precautions but that’s true wherever I go including the supermarket as restaurants and even fueling my vehicle.
While I am part of the “endangered” group because of my age, I don’t feel myself at a high risk since I am in very good health. That’s why I choose to go to the gym.
Obviously, if I had a respiratory problem or compromised immune system I would stay away.
I feel the same goes for the common buildings in Sun City.
From Peter Brown...to...Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteThis is beyond authority of a few....This is authority in a few person’s hand who don’t have the capacity to think or analyze a situation. This is a few running amok.
The arrogance of Karrow...Weil...Coleman...Quinn...Hadrick...to dictate to their children is beyond acceptable.
These 5 individuals must each pay the price for their inability to go beyond what management instructed without pursuing the real facts.
Further the new Board should evaluate the advice it is receiving from management.
From Marcia Kosterka...to...Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone but me finding it strange that the BOD and management picked the tentative date of April 1st as the date to reopen all the centers?
They have absolutely no idea where we will be with the Corona Virus and Influenza outbreak.
April 1st happens to be the date that our quarterly dues start to be paid and many people including myself go into the center to do this.
Furthermore, management may alter staffing beside the cleaning crew, but are they being paid to stay home unlike many Americans who are not.
It sounds as if all they want is for the dues to keep rolling in to pay utilities and staff.
I for one, resent this.
From a local physician...to...Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteI'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist.
I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis.
I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession.
And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19.
I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil.
I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge.
But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others.
I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..."
...and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize.
And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too.
Can you even imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat.
Instead of reason, rationality, open mindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over.
It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it.
Stop waiting to be surprised further.
The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education.
We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society.
Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
From Bill Breier...to...Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteWhat I find totally amazinng is that they already know they’re expecting to open the buildings on April 1.
As far as we know, the virus may spread and get worse and they would not be able to re-open the building.
If they are using the current number of cases as a current guideline for closures, I would assume that a widespread number of cases, especially in our area, would be cause enough to keep the buildings closed as of April 1.
When questioned arose about the ballots being dropped off, I was told not to worry about it because the buildings are open on April 1.
They already know that three weeks from Now, everything is gonna be OK?
I want to see that crystal ball.
World Health Organization official:
ReplyDelete80% of coronavirus cases will involve mild symptoms.
99% will have a full recovery.
Not only is April 1st "dues-paying time', it's also April Fools Day
ReplyDeleteFrom Art Goldsmith...to...Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteSince we are dealing with an unknown and new variant of the corona virus, I feel that the correct action was taken by management to close the facilities and sanitize them.
I say this for a few reasons, first and foremost, we are a target population because of age and the possible comorbidities ( fancy word that means conditions that increase risk) that we may have with advancing age, such as coronary vascular disease, diabetes, hypertension, copd, cancer, etc.
Secondly, the incubation period, with no symptoms runs about five days, so you could have been exposed, caught the disease five days ago, show no symptoms, but still spread it.
The adage, better safe than sorry comes into play at this point.
We have had only minimal testing in the county, state and country, so that we only have minimal evidence of how widespread the contagion is. Again, we must err in the side of caution.
Finally, where I fully agree with you, how can management set a specific reopening date, unless of course they have a better crystal ball then the epidemiologists who at this point are not making predictions on the length of the epidemic.
Side note, I am a retired biomedical researcher and college professor.
From Rosann Ippica...to...Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteI TOTALLY agree with the voice expressed from the Physician’s comments!!
I was in Disneyworld, Florida with my family, from Feb 22-Feb 26th.
There were THOUSANDS of people; actually it was so crowded, I had asked why, and was informed that there was a Marathon in town that weekend with 25,000 people participating.
This attributed to the larger crowds.
I was surprised that very few people, in Disneyworld and on the plane, wore Masks.
Now, Disney parks are closing, sporting events cancelled.
Stock market drastically down!
Now they close our Clubhouses!
What is wrong with this excessive “MADNESS!”
I am not panicking.
YES, I am more aware of being more protective of myself & others against germs, BUT....I feel I should have the option of being able to use the facilities; IF I CHOSE TO.
The Casinos are all open.
The N1R1 flu did not have the mass hysteria as the Coronavirus is having; and it was just as serious.
From Patricia Aldrin... to... Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteHas anyone really listed to the CDC opinions or to the President and Vice-President's televised updates (if you like the President or not).
Our Nation is in a State of Emergency. This virus is no joke!
I applaud the decision to close all our centers. It only takes ONE person, probably unknowingly, to past the virus to others. Most likely many others.
We are all over 55 and most likely a few years older which means we are ALL in the danger zone.
I can forgo cards, pool, walking, bunco, mah jongg and other activities for a few weeks to protect not only myself but my fellow friends and neighbors.
Really think about if the Centers remained open and that ONE person, who chooses to go to an activity, is caring the virus and then passes it on to their friends and neighbors unknowingly? How awful would that person (you) feel?!
I would feel awful if it was me and I'm sure this opinion page would sway the other way if we all started getting sick.
Don't be selfish. . .
Help protect yourself and your friends and neighbors.
It's just for a little while.
Patricia, your message is very well received and you are indeed entitled to your opinion, but the statistics don't lie, and despite the caution, there is little anyone can do if you come into contact with an infected individual.
ReplyDeleteDo you do shopping? Do you feel threatened at a grocery store?
Do you feel threatened at restaurant?
Are you going to cease any of that activity?
My point is that you can't stop life unless you crawl in cubbie hole and stay there forever, and if one chooses not to go to an SCA location, that is their choice.
As was previously pointed out, there is a 99% chance of recovery if you contract the virus, and for some of us, that 1% probability of death isn't worth losing a single day of a life that's already on the backside.
From Valerie Lapin...to...Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteBased upon your opinion about the closure of the clubhouses this is one area I strongly disagree with you!
It is better to be overly cautious to take precautions to protect the health of our senior community, the group that could be most seriously affected by this virus.
It is not an over reaction, but a cautious act to protect our welfare.
I am very glad that this has been done.
Imagine what could happen if there were to be an outbreak here.
It could have a serious health issue for everyone because seniors have compromised immune systems, and this illness could be a rampant disaster for everyone living here.
It is better to err on the side of caution than take chances.
The word “epidemic” is enough to do what is necessary to protect our health!
Valerie, you are fully entitled to your opinion, but as I previously mentioned to another reader, do you also plan not go to a grocery store, restaurant, casino, or any other venue, out of fear?
ReplyDeleteIf you saw or heard about the lines at Costco, there was more "people contact" buying toilet paper in close proximity than you would ever see in Anthem Center playing cards.
Should Costco and all the other stores close because they create an unsafe environment?
Should they remain open to those who are not as concerned as you, or should their continuing to remain open, be looked at as not being concerned about the safety of others?
Which is it?
Honestly, the word "epidemic" hardly describes less than 20 positive tests out of 3,000,000 people living in Clark County.
Then again, it all amounts to "choice", not "command".
You should be able to decide such a matter yourself, as those of us refusing to "hit panic mode" should be allowed to express their feelings as well.
For some reason, when the SARS virus struck, no one seemed to panic and suggest "the world close its doors"...and...it all went away, didn't it ?
This short-sided decision by a General Manager and 5 of 7 Board members created havoc for clubs, activities, entertainment schedules, and the Board election.
No one was contacted to examine the effects of such havoc before it was created.
I wonder if those 6 individuals will now refrain from going to stores, restaurants, etc. ???
From David Hatton...to...Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteWhy are you opposed to the closing?
Makes great sense for a senior community.
We don't need a survey.
We need effective leadership in a state of crisis.
Are you confused about how this virus spreads?
David,
ReplyDeleteI'm concerned about hysteria without sufficient evidence.
What does this have to do with any survey?
My opinion is simply, let those who choose to close it, stay home; those opposed, have the choice to use what they have paid for in their assessments.
As I have said three times, do you plan to avoid grocery stores or restaurants as well?
You likely will encounter an even greater risk there than in a building of card players that by and large, does not allow outsiders to populate or visit.
5 deaths in 3,000,000 is not something I personally choose to consider a "pandemic"; and as a result ,I refuse to curtail my lifestyle on a theory that is based on fear, TV hysteria, and few casualties...
...especially when the past has had much greater health issues, yet somehow were cured without shutting down the world.
I might join your thought process if at least one confirmed case is discovered in our community, but until that takes place, I don't share your opinion of a a doomsday attitude.
What concerns me more, is a potential collapse of the entire world's economic system as a result.
If that took place, we might as well die rather than go through a Depression my parents had to live through for years until a war solved it.
From Liz B...to...Anthem Opinions
ReplyDeleteI recently returned home from LVAC ( Las Vegas Athletic Club) where I have a membership and I attend 5 to 6 times a week.
Yes,the parking lot had fewer cars and there were definitely less people in the gym.
However, those of us who care to use it, at least have the ability to do so.
Am I careful? Yes of course.
I am taking extra precautions but that’s true wherever I go including the supermarket as restaurants and even fueling my vehicle.
While I am part of the “endangered” group because of my age, I don’t feel myself at a high risk since I am in very good health. That’s why I choose to go to the gym.
Obviously, if I had a respiratory problem or compromised immune system I would stay away.
I feel the same goes for the common buildings in Sun City.
It’s a matter of using your brain.
Common sense should prevail.
Today's smile...
ReplyDeleteThis morning it was disclosed that a dog can be a carrier of the corona virus, that petting it can possibly expose you.
Does that mean that you should avoid contact with any person who owns a dog?
Should the association should now ban dog walking ?
Yeah...Fido's now a possible death machine, right ???
Somehow I don't believe "Woof Woof" will kill you.
Perhaps you might want to buy him a mask.
Please don't become part of the world's hysteria...
...Rover will never forgive you !
Good news from the AKC
ReplyDeletehttps://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/can-dogs-get-coronavirus/