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Sun City Anthem Restaurant Poll
December 14th Deadline
 Rapidly Approaching

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Anthem Opinions receives numerous comments about relevant community matters and we share them with you beneath the articles that are written.

We pride ourselves in having a number of community residents join our efforts to "make Sun City Anthem an honest and better place" to enjoy a retirement experience.

Along those lines, perhaps the most controversial topic we have experienced in our existence is a restaurant in Anthem Center.  

After five previous failures, it is obvious this substantial financial investment should and must be looked at carefully before any final decision is made.... individuals whose past has not only shown experience in such relevant matters, but whose community service distinguishes them as THOSE WHO SHOULD BE LISTENED TO !

Comments such as "I want one" in our estimation, though appreciated,  are as effective as letters to Santa Claus.  They say nothing other than expressing a "want", but do not address community NEEDS, as well as, community FINANCES...

...and must be placed in proper perspective as to the community in general.

Since the original poll letter was mailed to all Sun City Anthem owners, we have tried to provide relevant commentary to you in order to make an intelligent decision; articles which take numerous aspects of the decision into account...

...and we hope that through articles published by former Sun City Anthem Board members (Favil West & Jim Mayfield) alongside those of former Finance Committee member, Barry Goldstein, our well-experienced and successful "Mr. Fix-It", Forrest Fetherolf, Nevada Guardianship champion and Political Editor of the Vegas Voice magazine, Rana Goodman, former long time resident, Mary Lee Duley,  and current resident, Robert Lachford, have allowed you to come to an intelligent decision on which to complete the poll sent to you by Sun City Anthem management a few weeks ago. 

I believe we have provided a substantial amount of information that you DID NOT RECEIVE in the original poll letter sent to you...

...a letter that, in our opinion, was unfairly biasedfilled with inaccurate "half truth" information, "guesstimatesof cost that have never been verified, and written by an unknown author who refuses to come forward.... order to produce a contrived predetermined result that will benefit a FEW at the expense of MANY.

Our suspicions also seem to be well founded based on another recent QUESTIONABLE decision.

Since that letter was sent, the current Sun City Anthem Board signed a THREE YEAR AGREEMENT with an accounting firm whose handling of the REMOVAL ELECTION a year ago, produced a substandard method of distribution to unit owners by disguising the contents of their correspondence that included a ballot, refused to correct relevant information provided to them, and was a participant in an $85,000 outrageous cost to the Sun City Anthem community. 

Based on these facts, one would question such an arrangement until it was learned that the choice...

...was recommended by a current Sun City Anthem Treasurer, Forrest Quinn...

...through an initial recommendation a year ago by Association Attorney, Adam Clarkson, highly recommended by the "Star" of a Darcy Spears Channel 13, "HOA Hall of Shame" report, General Manager, Sandra Seddon, and readily approved by the then Sun City Anthem Board of Directors.

One must consider all this vital information in determining the credibility of those who are responsible for the financial future and well-being our community, and we urge all of you to complete the poll and deliver it to Anthem Center by the deadline, Friday, December 14th.

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Restaurant Poll

A Last Ditch Plea to Please Vote

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Jim Mayfield

Former 2 Term Sun City Anthem Board Vice President
Former Chair of the Sun City Anthem Finance Committee

This Friday, December 14, is the last day you can submit the survey sent to you by SCA soliciting your opinion on how SCA should proceed to use the space currently dedicated for a high-end restaurant in Anthem Center. I urge you to submit your survey, regardless of how you vote on the survey, for two reasons.

Reason 1

I agree with many of the criticisms that have been written on various blogs regarding the deficiencies of the survey and the misleading cost comparisons presented to compare the two choices offered by the Board in the survey. 

However, these shortcomings should not lead to homeowners to becoming frustrated and deciding not to vote. 

Several key issues are embedded in this decision that will substantially affect the amount of your annual assessments for years to come and potentially your property value.

The increased operating costs necessary to subsidize a restaurant have been thoroughly presented by other people, but two almost invisible policy decisions are less apparent and inadequately discussed

A vote to have a restaurant will result in a SPECIAL ASSESSMENT to cover the remodeling costs for a commercial operator

SCA has never had a special assessment, and authorizing one now will break the plane and set policy precedents that special assessments:

(1) can be used by the Board to fund commercial ventures at SCA; as well as, (2) used to fund improvements that benefit only a small portion of SCA homeowners. 

Such policies will have an adverse effect on home valuesask any realtors.

Reason 2

Using a survey to cover up flagrantly inadequate business practices by the Board and General Manager limits consideration of choices available about food service at SCA and space utilization. 

Only the SCA property owners can hold the Board and ultimately the General Manager accountable for fulfilling their fiduciary responsibilities to SCA homeowners.

If you believe that special assessments are a useful tool for the board to use to support subsidies to commercial entities and levels of service that benefit only a minority portion of SCA homeownersthen you should vote in favor of the restaurant proposition offered by the Board

 If you believe the Board and General Manager have adequately represented your interests in negotiating with commercial interests to operate a restaurant at SCAyou should vote in favor of the restaurant proposition offered by the Board

If you think the two options offered in the survey are the only two options and you prefer the restaurant optionyou should vote in favor of the restaurant proposition offered by the Board.


If you do not support the restaurant option offered by the Boardyou should vote for the reallocation of space option offered in the survey

This option leaves open future planning and decisions regarding the use of the space, including using a portion of it for a different type of food service and bar than presently possible.

Regardless of how you vote on the survey, please vote. 

A decision as important as this one with its potential to affect costs of annual assessments and special assessment at SCA should not be left to a minority of SCA home owners

 If you did not receive a survey or have lost your survey, please contact the SCA administrative offices for a replacement survey. 


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  1. From A. Opinions

    To Anthem Opinions:

    I don’t usually complain. ,but, I never received this survey.

    I travel a couple times a year. My mail is forwarded by the US Postal Service. They do an excellent job of forwarding all my important mail.

    I received my HOA dues coupon book. It’s sent 1st class mail, as it should.

    If the survey is so important.I would assume it was sent 1st class mail.

    I wonder how many other owners have not received the survey?        
  2. As per Jim Mayfield's concluding note to his article, I would suggest that you go to Anthem Center, report you had not received it, and ask for replacement ballot.
    1. From Bob Opinions

      James and all others.

      It is good to hear from you.

      My immediate thoughts are as follows:

      Apathy is normal by joy-seeking, tired, and ill seniors who came here simply to enjoy their last days and prefer to pay for inconvenience rather than challenge theft, corruption and fraud by the SCA boards and their close friends on the Henderson City Council.

      Members are being informally asked (not required to vote among major, high-cost modifications to common facilities per Statute and our By Laws) to choose among 2 unacceptable, very expensive options when in fact, there is at least one additional option--to do nothing but change the rules of use of the dining area and kitchen.

      The 3rd option would require the association to issue consistent rules to turn the current SCA-owned dining and restaurant facilities into private use only--as is the case for all other facilities.

      The rules would allow SCA clubs and ad hoc SCA member groups to reserve use of the restaurant area and/or kitchen area as they wish, and SCA would managed them much as the multi-purpose rooms are.  Club/group clean up and any needed repairs resulting from group use would be handled the same as other SCA multi-purpose rooms, game rooms, pools and the ballroom.  This would make it possible for the restaurant area to be reserved independently for catered events held in other locations than the dining area.

      The 3rd option will mean that many groups will be using the dining and/or restaurant areas in lieu of multi-purpose rooms, and free up some multi-purpose rooms for plain meetings.

      The board survey is a false dilemma using fuzzy logic.

      The survey and any preliminary actions should be withdrawn and the following 3rd option tested in 2019.

      A nonprofit, NV LLC organization should be formed for a small cost to prepare to file a suit to protect membership rights if the board refuses to honor the 3rd option trial use approach and abandon their fiduciary duties to the membership.

      If desired, I will help in any way fellow members wish.

      I know many of the newer SCA members who attend my Church and believe there are many others who will prefer to fight such board corruption in ways most likely to be successful in this city election year.

      As stated before, all our property values will start to decline as well as having to pay a special assessment and pay higher dues in the future, if a firm stand with a stronger membership strategy is not implemented this time around.

      We are facing hundreds of dollars of losses during the next few years if we simply respond to the board's unacceptable survey.

Sun City Anthem Resident Restaurant Evaluation
Deserves Special Notice

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Robert Lachford
Sun City Anthem Resident

It was refreshing to read the articles from Favil West with his opinions about issues to be considered before considering a restaurant in the Anthem Center.

His noted experience in the field of commercial leasing in general and more specifically our problem, was invaluable, and I would hope, though not optimistic, that every property owner would make note of his comments. 

A lease of this nature is only as good as the way it was written, and certain areas must be addressed to prevent a disaster.  Nothing was more evident than that we were allowed to see parts of in the conditions in the proposed lease from G2G a few months ago. 

It was a recipe for sure disaster. 

Though their efforts were likely done with (in their eyes) the best motives, it was obvious to even my unskilled eyes that was not done through negotiation, but agreeing with whatever the possible tenant wanted. 

We want free rent !

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Free utilities !

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Catering exclusive catering rights !

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No security deposit !

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 The greatest point Mr. West that I feel would influence most voters to give a thumbs down to the pro-restaurant people are the possible costs that could be encounter that were never explained, which were only brief examples.

Expect to pay a lot more.

He did state that he favored a restaurant as an effective use of the space if done right and mentioned a successful lease he had negotiated at that location.

He failed to point out that it was on the property already housing a restaurant, already having an existing customer base, due largely through subsidies from the developer.  

Getting new business is not that easy.

The current ballot still rates resounding NO as trying to attract outside customers, There seems to be no plan to generate more revenue.  

You won't do it by selling coffee and bagels in an off the beaten track location with little options to draw traffic.

As a side note, the opinion forms sent to us claim they are not binding votes.

However, if the issue came to push and shore, pointing to a judge that it was wanted by the majority of homeowners, could be a factor.

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Former President
Sun City Anthem & Foundation Assisting Seniors
Speaks Out on Restaurant Debacle
(Part Two of Two)

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Favil West

Now, we have received a “space opinion poll” where the residents are presented with the SCA Boards’ version of facts. 

We are told, “that a for-profit restaurant is not feasible,” that “it cannot be supported by the limited number of restaurant patrons,” that even "vacant, it costs us money, primarily in reserve funding, taxes, and utilities.” 

We have even been told that most HOA’s subsidize their restaurants. 

That is not true.

 What is true, Country Clubs that have restaurants do subsidize them. 

I do not know of any age qualified community such as ours that provides a subsidy for a restaurant.

The person who came up with the cost to re-purpose the restaurant space obviously knows little about construction, and even less about construction costs

Are architectural and design fees in the cost? 

Are permit fees included? 

Do the costs include a complete re-engineering of the sprinkler system, of the HVAC system, of lighting, handicap requirements, etc? 

Is the person who produced these cost figures aware of the requirements for a one hour corridor

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I highly doubt it.

As a former general contractor specializing in commercial construction with more than 1400 completed projects under my belt, I would hazard a guess that the cost to re-purpose the facility would be well over $1 million and could go as high as $1.75 million.

As far as keeping the restaurant goes, over the years a number of operators have approached us with the idea of leasing the space. 

What I’ve learned from talking with several of them is that they were turned off by a small group of residents who threatened law suits, and boycotts.

They could not understand why the board wanted to preclude non-residents from using the restaurant. 

They thought it a waste of time that the negotiators continually referred to their past experience, which they found boring and off point. 

Clearly, the board negotiators were inexperienced in leasing a restaurant. 

Most recently we learned that the Board and its General Manager want to treat our restaurant as a country club type operation where each resident would subsidize the restaurant.

 SCA is not a country club.

I find it interesting that the Board and management could not, in the past year, find the time to hire a leasing agent experienced and specializing in restaurant leasing. 

The reason they didn’t find a restaurant leasing specialist is obvious:

 They didn’t look !

They want to do it themselves.

It has been said that only a fool acts as his own attorney. 

I will extend that to the instant case and candidly state only a fool would try to negotiate a lease for a restaurant without any direct knowledge of restaurant operations and local knowledge of the market

Having said that, I think the same would apply to a person trying to play General Contractor and estimate construction costs

It just so happens that there are many out there who make a living doing this kind of work.

I’m sure the next thing we will hear is that the SCA Board will want to spend $30,000 or $40,000 to hire a consultant to tell them what to do, which I’m sure you’ll agree, proves my point.

What should we do? 

I can only tell you what I would do if I was still on the board. 

I would find a real estate person who specializes in restaurant leasing; then, I would invite them to look over the space

I would offer gaming, which we did before.

I would open the restaurant to the public, which it was before.

I would allow catering as we did before.


I would advise the leasing agent that the operator would have the right to quiet enjoyment, which they had before

I would then sit back and wait for leasing agent to bring me an offer

At that point I would open negotiations, but only at arms-length, meaning the leasing agent would carry the water

After a few exchanges we would probably find common ground and a standard lease would be submitted for approval

Free rent

For a period of time

Tenant Improvements over and above a certain allowance, determined by the board, would be at the expense of the lessee and, as is typical, spread out over the term of the lease

I could fill two pages with additional items that are normally included in a restaurant lease, but I would have to go back in my files for accuracy.

What I find incredible is that this manager and board have put in print their desire to have the residents subsidize the restaurant

In essence, they have given away the store

Out in the real world,  they would be replaced. 

Understanding that there are few if any secrets in Las Vegas, it is probable that all potential lessees have now heard the words, “free rent.”

It is clear that this board, or elements thereof, and its manager are not capable of negotiating a lease without giving away the store.

I am for leasing the restaurant as it is the least expensive and most effective use of the space. 

It should be done at arms-length. 

I believe that we have plenty of qualified people on the property that could find the leasing agent, and could provide advice, free of charge, on how to effectively find the right level of service, food types, etc. to make the restaurant a winner.

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  1. From Richard Opinions

    In my humble opinion, our BOD and GM believe they have found, and hold captive, the Goose that lays Golden Eggs, and it is the deaf, dumb and blind SCA residents.

    They are taking us to the cleaners; every decision only benefits themselves, not us.

    Time will tell, but it’s starting to smell like something’s fishy here, possibly criminal.
  2. From Jim Opinions

    Favel West's idea of having a PROFESSIONAL find us a lessee for the restaurant is RIGHT ON.

    When member meetings were held after S&D left, many Commercial and Business realtors suggested that we could find a licensed broker to take a listing, some even at no cost, but only a commission for an approved Lease. This Broker would only ask for a listing only if they felt certain they could produce an approved result.

    Naturally, this was voted down by the Board and loud members.

Former President
Sun City Anthem & Foundation Assisting Seniors
Speaks Out on Restaurant Debacle

(Part One of Two)

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 Favil West

There is an element of professionalism that exists in most every facet of our daily business lives. Sadly, that element seems to be missing in the way that the past few boards consider “good business practices.” 

They have made the leasing of the SCA Restaurant space little more than a laughing matter.  

Beside the obvious who, what, when, where, and how much elements of a lease, there is one other that is of equal importance, the “right to quiet enjoyment.” 

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Essentially, that means that once the space is leasedbutt out

But... that has not been the modus operandi of recent boards and it has, in my opinion, colored the outcome in a significantly negative way.

In 2001-02 the Association was losing more than $23,000 per month on restaurant operations. 

 As the only elected board member and former business owner, I found that objectionable. 

I prevailed on Del Webb to close the restaurant down. 

The President of Del Webb, Chris Haines, asked to meet with me and put forth the proposition of leasing the restaurant to an outside operator. 

In 2002 a lease was negotiated with S&D Partners that paid SCA $10,000 per month plus certain “sharing of revenue clauses.” 

In spite of the fact that SCA was losing $23,000 per month, a few, 19 to be exact, objected to leasing “our restaurant, Trumpets,” to a private party. 

After a series of "resident only" meetings in which the board agreed to follow the wishes of the residents, a vote was taken the results of which showed that more than 90% of our residents were in favor of the lease. 

For the next 5 years S&D operated the space. 

While they lost money on the restaurant, they more than made up for those losses through their catering. Their catering was primarily to outside groups, to wedding groups, galas, birthdays, etc. 

Because of the actions of a few of our board members, committee members, and a few bloggers an extension of the lease was rejected. 

S & D, the lessee, successfully sued SCA recovering most of the money they paid in leasing the restaurant. 

Yes, we lost the suit.

The failure of the last few restaurants has, in many respects, been the result of an inexperienced board and manager. 

Leasing space of any kind is not for amateurs and that has been exactly the makeup of the negotiating teams representing SCA

Now, we must all keep in mind, that, with the exception of Sun City Anthem, General Manager, Sandy Seddon,  they are volunteers and are doing the best job they can. 

I respect that and take my hat off to them. 

However, having said that, “good business practices” dictate that if you don’t know what you are doing, you get someone who does.

An interesting sidebar, I was asked to meet with the operator of the last restaurant, which I did.

He asked me to review his lease. 

He told me that SCA had loaned them $40,000

I don’t know the truth about the $40,000 but I will say this:

If SCA loaned them the money, then it is not inexperience we are dealing with, it is something much more basic. 

What I found in the lease documents was that there was no right to a quiet enjoyment clause, and a few other clauses that really limited their ability to  successfully do business. 

It was clear to me that they were going under sooner than later.

Tomorrow: Part Two 
Looking Toward the Future 

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  1. Mr. West's comment: "Leasing space of any kind is not for amateurs" is very true - especially a lease for a restaurant....there are many Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants, etc who had the grandiose idea of opening a restaurant for some "extra free money" that went bust because they had no idea what they were doing

Sun City Anthem Restaurant Poll
Just Another Deceptive Step to Control Your Life

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 It's been two weeks since the Sun City Anthem Board decided to send their "poll" to the community, and while we were temporarily "taking a break", our thanks to a number of Sun City Anthem Residents who corresponded with Anthem Opinions and wrote detailed commentary that looked carefully between the lines to examine what intelligent individuals in Sun City Anthem could only determine was a...

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...that it has since become the laughing stock of the community.

If you look carefully at the "terms" of the proposed...

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...this Board actually is proposing almost the same identical "giveaway" that was being offered to G2G before they disappeared.

Has no one noticed that ?

Makes you wonder if G2G has really disappeared !

There appears to be a strange odor of similarity, isn't there?

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Those individuals who wrote articles (Forrest FetherolfBarry GoldsteinRana Goodman, and former resident Mary Lee Duley) were well thought out, and if the Board and General Manager really had the full intention of a complete disclosure, it would seem logical that letter, prior to it being sent, would have asked for some form of input from others in the community whose experience in the business world might have created a fair assessment on which individuals could make an unbiased decision.

Instead, they bowed to pressure and choose to open this up to what amounted to only a small fraction of the community who currently subscribe to the Sun City Anthem website eblasts. 

Then again, when the largest percentage of controversial topics communicated to residents is based on half truths designed to do little other than enhance a personal agenda, what did anyone expect?

Who wrote the letter?  No one seems to accept authorship, have they?

What sources were consulted for input?  No one seems to answer that either, have they?

Well now, this one smacks of nothing more than what we've told you for years; namely, if you believe everything these control freaks tell you, never stopping to think or allow alternative thought, yet keep this "machine" in place,  you will pay a price...

...and that price will not only involve your wallet, but limit your lifestyle as well.

Let me be a bit more specific to dramatize this point.

The accounting firm of Ovist & Howard just signed a three year contract with Sun City Anthem for auditing services.

Recognize that name?

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In case you need a reminder, they were the accounting firm who ran the REMOVAL ELECTION ... know, the same one who made sure they used disguised envelopes to send ballots...

...forcing you to go to their offices on the other side of town to obtain alternates many owners likely "pitched "(making it literally impossible for the 30% of owners who do not reside year round to obtain one) as a result of envelopes not being clearly defined as official community business...

...refusing to accurately determine or ACCEPT PROOF of the authenticity of numerous addresses that were removed  or "disappeared" from signed petitions, thereby keeping former Board "short term" president  Bob Burch off the removal ballot by 2 addresses...

...and of course, being a major part of the $85,000 tab...

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...a Board tried to scam a community blaming the cost on others by failing to acknowledge that the Board authorized the expense, never reporting to the community those who were in favor of the recall CALLED FOR THE MATTER TO BE HANDLED IN HOUSE at minimal expense.

And who recommended this firm?

Forrest Quinn, the current Sun City Anthem Treasurer....

...the same individual who wrote an official community eblast recommending individuals vote against the Recall, and being part of a Board who REFUSED to allow any rebuttal to his biased statement.

And who originally recommended Orvist & Howard to Sun City Anthem?

None other than Association Attorney, Adam Clarkson !

And who recommended Adam Clarkson to replace our former Association Attorney, John Leach ?

None other than Association General Manager, Sandy Seddon !

Did ya know that Sun City Anthem's legal fees for October, 2018 were $40,000?

If you can't see the picture how this community is gradually being allowed to be controlled by elements that began with the hiring of an overpriced General Manager and star of a Darcy Spears Hall of Shame Report, along with other members of her senior staff, that accounts for $1,000,000 per year of salaries...

...then we suggest you get yourself a pair of Elton John glasses !

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And who do we have to thank for all this WASTE and loss of control of a community?

The Sun City Anthem Board and the lack of competence and inability to recognize that a community they pledged to represent, is QUICKLY being sold by them down a path of no return.

Open you eyes, Sun City Anthem, you are losing complete control of your community.  

Can none see these actions are crucial to our way of life ???

Is this the path you wish to continue ????

If not, there is only one solution...the...
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...ridding ourselves of those who allow these conditions to exist and recognizing that their actions speak louder then any words they may utter.

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  1. From Tim Opinions


    MSN (Microsoft Network) a popular on-line news and information service had a feature article listing the 21 most luxurious retirement communities in America.  About half were in Arizona and Florida and the rest all over the country.

    Sun City Summerlin made the list - BUT Sun City Anthem did not.

    SCA just did not measure up.
  2. From Malcolm "Scotty" Opinions

    Give us a Bar, not a Restaurant.

    I belong to the American Legion Post in Henderson, it is a lively friendly place where members and guests gather for a few drinks, comradery and maybe to watch a ball game or play a game of pool.

    Although it has a meeting hall and a kitchen, daily activities always revolve around the bar, which is run entirely by volunteers working for tips.

    No food is available other than chips, nuts, pickled eggs and the like, available for a modest price.

    The post bar is able to make a profit selling beer and drinks at extremely reasonable prices.

    Food is prepared in the kitchen on a schedule dictated by post officers, prepared by volunteers and sold at cost. (no volunteers no food).

    Why could not a similar system be put in place in the restaurant area?

    I'm sure there are numerous individuals in Anthem who would volunteer to run the bar either for something to do or to make a few extra bucks. Groups could reserve the kitchen for various functions if they wanted to prepare food (being responsible for cleaning up of course) or hiring a caterer to do it for them.

    In fact here is no reason that meeting space and a bar could not co-exist in the same area.

    The whole operation would be non-profit, and the HOA would provide nothing but utilities and janitorial services.

    Possibly a group such as the Veterans club, or Silver Foxes could take the lead in setting up such a system, if for any reason it fails due to lack of volunteers we're no worse off than we are now.
  3. From Matt Opinions

    Previous restaurants did not do maintenance correctly or at all and we got stuck with huge costs to remedy the neglect.
  4. From Bob Opinions

    People should refuse to return a response, as I have. Homeowners deserve a real effort at research, not this bogus non-effort. Boycott the one-question!!!
  5. From Samuel Opinions

    I received my opinion poll survey and crossed out both options and put my opinion on what we should do.

    First, I do not remember the famous quote exactly, but I believe it was “ Doing the same thing over and over exactly the same every day and expecting different results is inanity amplified”, or words to that effect.

    Restaurants have repeatedly failed and nothing I can see has changed and any new attempt is due to failure.

    As to office space, people in this country are obsessed with meetings, whether in the military, industry or associations, we are constantly meeting about something.

    Fortunately, I think we have enough meeting rooms. Let’s cut down on the meetings.

    Ok, so what do we do with the space.

    I know this will cost a lot of money, but how about another workout room?

    While I cannot use the equipment we now have, I am sure people would use such a room more than any other solution.

    How about going to the extreme. I would like to see another thermal pool that is free of thermal aerobics, or even a pool for walkers only, or lap swimmers only, all free of any classes?

    I know where we can come up with a half a million by selling the kitchen equipment we paid for.

    A cut in GM’s 250K salary would add another 75K.

    I would pay an extra to have a pool free of any kind of classes. I know, I am just being funny, but I am curious just how much such a facility would cost. 3-5M?

    OK, I had my fun, hope someone comes up with something, other than the two options we were given.

  6. From Vincent Opinions

    My name is Vincent Cimino I made a suggestion in reference to the restaurant I think we should leave the kitchen area as is for maybe a future restaurant.

    Take the seating area restaurant leave as is or refresh with more seating etc.

    Let the SCA members use for games,cards, poker or whatever.

    Leave the bar and have it maintained by SCA volunteers to man and sell soft drinks, coffee, water, have pre made sandwiches, hot dogs, and whatever snakes we can think of etc all proceeds go to SCA to maintain.
  7. From Richard Opinions

    After many attempts to get a response from “the other guy” and Ms. “spend ‘till it’s gone”, I ask you:

    1. What incentive would a restaurateur have to please SCA residents if they were subsidized?

    2. What incentive would a restaurateur have to even succeed in SCA if they were subsidized?

    3. What incentive would any of us here have to be our best if failure was taken off the table?

    4. What ever happened to the old John Smith axiom “if you don’t work, you don’t eat” rule?

    I assume from their lack of any answers, they have none; there is no reason to launch another fiasco.

    Maybe someone in our community could provide some reasonable answers, but I seriously doubt it.
  8. Richard,

    All good questions.

    In my opinion, the first THREE are NONE.

    As far as #4, that axiom obviously doesn't mean much any longer considering 53% of Americans would likely starve if it did !

    What can I say, Richard?

    It appears the words "work ethic" and "capitalism" are now politically incorrect.
    1. I would love a casual place like a Deli/Coffee shop. We could have breakfast with a friend or a club. How about a quick sandwich, soup,or salad for lunch. I don't want a high end place just a place to to run in when I'm too lazy to cook. So many of us run to a place like Coffee Bean or Starbucks to meet friends, why not here in our own coffee shop? This is my opinion but it's also the opinion of many of the residents here in SCA that I have spoken to about this.
    2. From Al Opinions

      The Restaurant Is a Stated Amenity.

      Many of us were shown the restaurant and it was hyped as one of the many amenities here at SCA. If the Board decided to remove it, or even let it sit closed, there might be lawsuits involved.

      It is no Costlier than Other Amenities.

      Folks complain about the fact that the restaurant will be costly to operate since it is impossible for it to run at a profit.

      I won’t argue about the assumption that it won’t operate at a profit, but it is certain that it would be no costlier to operate than our swimming pools, Bocce, tennis & Pickle ball courts and other amenities that are only used by a subset of homeowners.

      The Cost Could be Handled Nicely.

      Instead of just adding to the assessment, we could add an amount, say $10/mo, for example only, and issue a coupon to each homeowner good for a $10 buy in the restaurant. That acts as an incentive for them to use the restaurant and spend even more there. If they choose not to use the coupon immediately, they could save them up or sell, trade, or give them to others. Many clubs use this method for their restaurants. We have approximately 7200 homes which would gross about $72,000 per month or $864,000/year. That would be a heck of a good start at making it profitable for a vendor or we could operate it ourselves and the profit would go back to the Association, perhaps reducing the assessment.

      The Restaurant Needs to Be Open 14/7.

      Having a restaurant here that is open just for dinner or lunch and dinner is just plain silly. If you visit one of the local restaurants during breakfast or lunch, you’ll find many of our residents there. To be most successful, we need to address the wants and needs of our residents. Let’s have it open by 8 for breakfast, open the bar when lunch begins and stop dinner orders around 8pm. The bar could stay open until 10 or later with bar snacks available.

      The Restaurant Must be Affordable.

      We can’t support a fine dining restaurant up here. For the restaurant to be most successful, we need a menu that will encourage residents to dine multiple times per month. That means a breakfast and lunch menu similar to upscale family restaurants with the dinner menu including the lunch items plus 3-6 standard dinner entrees and a special. Having a midweek special such as all you can eat fish and chips and an upscale weekend special like a filet would be great.

      The bar should be a friendly, neighborhood bar with competitive prices and bar food.


      We should set our sights on the mainstream of resident’s tastes, neither shooting too high or too low. A friendly eating & drinking place that everyone will feel comfortable visiting, some on a frequent basis, will indeed be an amenity that will be worthwhile.
    3. Al,

      Let me address several of your comments.

      First, there is strong disagreement at to a restaurant being an amenity.  An amenity is strictly for owners.  The current proposal would allow outsiders.  Your comparison to the swimming pool is not valid comparing that to a restaurant.  Should outsiders be allowed to use that as well as all other facilities that we refer to amenities?

      In addition, the original SCA Master Plan called for a 3rd golf course too !

      The idea of a lawsuit is ridiculous.  Who would personally sue SCA and use personal funds to do so knowing at the same time, their dues money would be used against them in defense?

      As far as cost, I also disagree.  The examples you use to compare the relatively fixed costs of your examples to the variable and inevitable increasing costs of a restaurant are not valid.  A subsidized restaurant would be an ever increasing expense that  it has been proven through 5 previous attempts ,will not be patronized sufficiently.

      Al, your coupon idea represents not only additional cost, but try selling that to the 30% of owners who do not reside here year round.

      Let me just say that for years, I have yet to hear about anyone starving because of not having a restaurant.  Somehow we've also made it elsewhere over the years to dine.

      Major chains have examined the situation and wanted no part of us for various reasons. Doesn't a marketing department of a large corporation have more knowledge about such matters than "winging it"?

      Sorry Al, in my opinion, it's a waste of time, money, and expense.

      That space can be utilized by more residents for Club and meeting purposes than the few who would patronize any eatery...and it's the usage by the majority that should prevail.
    4. From Dolores Opinions

      I like Scotty Fraser's ideas, with a little bar food offered like hamburgers and a few simple sandwiches.
    5. From Valerie Opinions

      We no longer need a manager with Sandy’s expertise so why do we still employ her for her exorbitant salary and that of her staff?

      If Sun City Summerlin,  which is larger and has more homes than we have, pay a manager $160,000, something is seriously out of line with what we pay our manager.

      We are being fleeced, and most of the owners are not happy.


  1. Regarding that Pulte Lawsuit:

    Look closely at what Weddle said in his statement:

    "I don’t have the statistics for CD lawsuits, but I expect that figure to be no lower and likely greater.
    No one can predict with certainty the outcome of litigation. If they could, there would be no lawsuits. Every case would quickly settle and no one would sue. That's one reason we can't answer questions about our recovery probabilities. 
    With seven figures at risk and a miniscule statistical chance of losing at trial, if there is one, balancing the reward against the risk is an easy mental leap."

    First he states he does not have statistics for CD Lawsuits...3 sentences later he claims a "miniscule statistical chance of losing at trial"


  2. You have to adopt it to find out whats in it..
    Sound familiar?

  3. From Bella Opinions
    The developer has requested a continuance to February 21.


  4. Regarding the SOROS Project. As long as the current airport traffic takeoff and landing patterns are unchanged (in actual future USAGE, not just regarding the flight regulations -- and there are sufficiently large fines for pilots to discourage them from violating the regulations), and the developers of proposed residential properties west of the airport (as well as buyers of the homes who will be living there) understand this, there should be no problem.

    If not, then the existing homeowners in Seven Hills, Anthem and Sun City Anthem have every right to oppose this development. That said, as one of the latter, I'd prefer to "not take a chance" and rely on this.

    The best solution is to not have any residential development in the proposed area -- there is plenty of open space here in the valley for any number of residential developments. Use the area west of the airport for non-residential development.