"Just when you (were hoping) it was safe to come out of the water"...
Here are the details:
Looking at Sun City Anthem through the eyes of its independent minded resident community.
From Barbara Sidary...to...Anthem Opinions
Thanks for your update on the restaurant.
I feel the board does not listen to the residents. I have tried to get things changed in the lower gallery, to no avail. Went to P&G, facilities, board meeting and they just don't care.
I still think we should call the state and tell them the restaurant has no insurance and have them closed.
Is this a possibility?
Good for you, Barbara.
The silence is deafening already. I don't believe it is illegal not to carry liability insurance, but it is against the lease agreement.
...and no matter what is said by anyone...IT CREATES HUGH LIABILITY to Sun City Anthem's residents.
As the article stated, it is shocking that eblasts continue.
I'd like to send all of the board a clip from Dr. Phil....."What Were You Thinking?
From Scherry Lesanto...to...Anthem Opinions
What is the City of Henderson doing about this business working without insurance?
Do they know? Does it matter to them? We are in a mess….
We could be sued by "V" employees if something happens there, right? Also anyone who goes there.
This is not very responsible, to say the least.
Not only that, but they are using our name “Anthem” in their business….it is embarrassing!
Sun City Anthem Board is beyond terrible.
We can’t hold the board financially responsible,so my hard earned retirement and others are paying for their mistakes.
From Burt Davis...to...Anthem Opinions
Frankly, I am in favor of a restaurant at Anthem Center.
This memo does not comment on all the financial and legal issues you have documented.
My concern is with the quality of the finished product.
My wife and I were entertaining out of town guests on Tuesday July 7. We thought we would show them our restaurant and dine there..
She called the restaurant's answering service in the afternoon to inquire about any specials and other details and never received a response.
We went to the restaurant any way at about 530 PM. It was dreary and there was no salad bar.
I asked about the salad bar and was told that they had had an ant infestation and the salad bar was shut down.
After wondering where else the ants could be, we decided to leave the restaurant and went to one of the many choices on Eastern Ave.
Burt,
Assuming Cafe V is a "goner", I hope IF another restaurant is considered, we look toward a major modification over our previous unsuccessful ventures, avoiding tenants who will bleed us dry.
As a matter of fact, I would avoid ALL tenants.
Let's face it, we're now 0 for 4, reality has to set in, and new rules would have to apply for any chance of success.
My choice....a very small area...
...we own it, and provide limited "finger food" service with a happy hour...and the proceeds applied to perhaps having a weekly singer or small combo playing for a couple of hours during that short period of time (5:00 to 7:00pm).
...and I would be wholeheartedly in favor of some video poker machines in the bar area.
Originally I opposed this idea, but self-ownership would mean we would keep 100% of the proceeds.
We would also eliminate all property taxes due by avoiding an outside vendor.
It would be a place for the mah jong people, the pool and card players, and those going to miscellaneous meetings could patronize for something simple and a drink.
With self-management right around the corner, my guess is that we could staff the place with 100% volunteers for a couple of hours each day, and I know we have a number of retired bartenders that would love a paid part-time job...with tips.
There are plenty of restaurants available in the valley to eat that 5 star meal. If one can get to Anthem Center, they can get to some other place on Eastern Avenue as well.
All of that could be inexpensively constructed using the existing bar space with a few tables.
The entire huge area remaining would solve a problem for the space the residents have been yearning to have for their various entertainment venues.
The old adage, KISS, (keep it simple, stupid) would be applied.
Anyone else out there have any thoughts?
Profitability would be a secondary consideration with the belief this modified idea would literally pay for itself.
One VERY IMPORTANT difference no matter what is decided...allow the PEOPLE TO MAKE THE DECISION through a formal mailing to ALL RESIDENTS with complete information including projected costs and returns.
This formal mailing should include not just the question, but A MINIMUM of 5 pros and 5 cons as to the merit of the proposal.
Slanted and deceptive surveys to favor one particular idea should be avoided at all costs.
From Laura from NY...to...Anthem Opinions
Wow. This just gets better about Cafe V.
I am tempted to call the Review Journal and find out if it's against the law to operate a restaurant without insurance.
Maybe this nonsense needs to get out in the open.
I wish someone would tell me why this restaurant is still open!
Laura, when you get that answer, all of Sun City Anthem would love to know it.
Let's learn a lesson from this fiasco...it is the people we elect that make the decisions.
Unqualified people without relevant experience are simply not capable of making qualified decisions.
We've preached that for some time now.
Let's hope that those who do care about our community, will take the time to do the proper homework before they cast a ballot, rather than asking a neighbor "Who Should I Vote For?"
We have come to a point where callous decisions can no longer be tolerated.
We may live in a desert, but our financial future is on "thin ice" if we continue that path that we have traveled in the past 7 years.
From Forrest Fetherolf...to...Anthem Opinions
Dick,
How many times over the years have you heard me say since restaurant attempt #2
(Tirzo) failed…
1. Arts and Crafts needs more space.
2. Table tennis has no place to play other than sharing the Independence multipurpose
rooms requiring tables to be stored and set up for each play.
3. Woodchips has been begging for more space for more than 4 years to accommodate
their 150 members working on their projects and building items for residents.
4. Billiard tables are scattered in Anthem Center and Independence Center.
5. Lower gallery card playing tables are jammed together because 4 billiard tables are
stuck in the middle.
6. Residents and leadership want a simple place to meat during meetings and evenings.
7. Residents would like a bar to socialize.
8. Residents like to gamble.
Simple solution…
1. Remove the catering kitchen area (approx. 40 sq ft) to make room for Billiards and
Table Tennis.
2. Move Arts and Crafts into the larger existing Billiards room.
3. Convert existing Arts and Crafts room into another multipurpose room.
4. Convert the Independence Center Penn room to a Woodchips project assembly area.
5. Remove billiard tables from lower gallery to improve card table spacing.
6. Provide area next to bar for a small Deli style eat in or take out restaurant.
7. Leave the bar and install video gaming in bar area.
Al these modifications could be accomplished under existing roof minimizing cost.
Just look at all the positives this would bring to Residents, Leadership and Clubs.
Thanks for your update on the restaurant.
I feel the board does not listen to the residents. I have tried to get things changed in the lower gallery, to no avail. Went to P&G, facilities, board meeting and they just don't care.
I still think we should call the state and tell them the restaurant has no insurance and have them closed.
Is this a possibility?
The silence is deafening already. I don't believe it is illegal not to carry liability insurance, but it is against the lease agreement.
...and no matter what is said by anyone...IT CREATES HUGH LIABILITY to Sun City Anthem's residents.
As the article stated, it is shocking that eblasts continue.
I'd like to send all of the board a clip from Dr. Phil....."What Were You Thinking?
What is the City of Henderson doing about this business working without insurance?
Do they know? Does it matter to them? We are in a mess….
We could be sued by "V" employees if something happens there, right? Also anyone who goes there.
This is not very responsible, to say the least.
Not only that, but they are using our name “Anthem” in their business….it is embarrassing!
Sun City Anthem Board is beyond terrible.
We can’t hold the board financially responsible,so my hard earned retirement and others are paying for their mistakes.
Frankly, I am in favor of a restaurant at Anthem Center.
This memo does not comment on all the financial and legal issues you have documented.
My concern is with the quality of the finished product.
My wife and I were entertaining out of town guests on Tuesday July 7. We thought we would show them our restaurant and dine there..
She called the restaurant's answering service in the afternoon to inquire about any specials and other details and never received a response.
We went to the restaurant any way at about 530 PM. It was dreary and there was no salad bar.
I asked about the salad bar and was told that they had had an ant infestation and the salad bar was shut down.
After wondering where else the ants could be, we decided to leave the restaurant and went to one of the many choices on Eastern Ave.
Assuming Cafe V is a "goner", I hope IF another restaurant is considered, we look toward a major modification over our previous unsuccessful ventures, avoiding tenants who will bleed us dry.
As a matter of fact, I would avoid ALL tenants.
Let's face it, we're now 0 for 4; reality has to set in, and new rules would have to apply for any chance of success.
My choice....a very small area...
...we own it, and provide limited "finger food" service with a happy hour...and the proceeds applied to perhaps having a weekly singer or small combo playing for a couple of hours during that short period of time (5:00 to 7:00pm).
...and I would be wholeheartedly in favor of some video poker machines in the bar area.
Originally I opposed this idea, but self-ownership would mean we would keep 100% of the proceeds.
We would also eliminate all property taxes due by avoiding an outside vendor.
It would be a place for the mah jong people, the pool and card players, and those going to miscellaneous meetings who could patronize it for something simple and a drink.
With self-management right around the corner, my guess is that we could staff the place with 100% volunteers for a couple of hours each day, and I know we have a number of retired bartenders that would love a paid part-time job...with tips.
There are plenty of restaurants available in the valley to eat that 5 star meal. If one can get to Anthem Center, they can get to some other place on Eastern Avenue as well.
All of that could be inexpensively constructed using the existing bar space with a few tables.
The entire huge area remaining would solve a problem for the space the residents have been yearning to have for their various entertainment venues.
The old adage, KISS, (keep it simple, stupid) would be applied.
Anyone else out there have any thoughts?
Profitability would be a secondary consideration with the belief this modified idea would literally pay for itself.
One VERY IMPORTANT difference no matter what is decided...allow the PEOPLE TO MAKE THE DECISION through a formal mailing to ALL RESIDENTS with complete information including projected costs and returns.
This formal mailing should include not just the question, but A MINIMUM of 5 pros and 5 cons as to the merit of the proposal.
Slanted and deceptive surveys to favor one particular idea should be avoided at all costs.
Wow. This just gets better about Cafe V.
I am tempted to call the Review Journal and find out if it's against the law to operate a restaurant without insurance.
Maybe this nonsense needs to get out in the open.
I wish someone would tell me why this restaurant is still open!
Let's learn a lesson from this fiasco...it is the people we elect that make the decisions.
Unqualified people without relevant experience are simply not capable of making qualified decisions.
We've preached that for some time now.
Let's hope that those who do care about our community, will take the time to do the proper homework before they cast a ballot, rather than asking a neighbor "Who Should I Vote For?"
We have come to a point where callous decisions can no longer be tolerated.
We may live in a desert, but our financial future is on "thin ice" if we continue that path that we have traveled in the past 7 years.
Dick,
How many times over the years have you heard me say since restaurant attempt #2
(Tirzo) failed…
1. Arts and Crafts needs more space.
2. Table tennis has no place to play other than sharing the Independence multipurpose
rooms requiring tables to be stored and set up for each play.
3. Woodchips has been begging for more space for more than 4 years to accommodate
their 150 members working on their projects and building items for residents.
4. Billiard tables are scattered in Anthem Center and Independence Center.
5. Lower gallery card playing tables are jammed together because 4 billiard tables are
stuck in the middle.
6. Residents and leadership want a simple place to meat during meetings and evenings.
7. Residents would like a bar to socialize.
8. Residents like to gamble.
Simple solution…
1. Remove the catering kitchen area (approx. 40 sq ft) to make room for Billiards and
Table Tennis.
2. Move Arts and Crafts into the larger existing Billiards room.
3. Convert existing Arts and Crafts room into another multipurpose room.
4. Convert the Independence Center Penn room to a Woodchips project assembly area.
5. Remove billiard tables from lower gallery to improve card table spacing.
6. Provide area next to bar for a small Deli style eat in or take out restaurant.
7. Leave the bar and install video gaming in bar area.
Al these modifications could be accomplished under existing roof minimizing cost.
Just look at all the positives this would bring to Residents, Leadership and Clubs.