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Friday, May 25, 2018
Liberty Center Controversy Continues without Answers or Explanations
Sun City Anthem Resident Attends
May 24, 2018 Board Meeting
to Address Liberty Center Pool Concerns
Disappointment Results
by
Samuel Novotny
Sun City Anthem Resident
The closing of the Liberty pool to swimmers while aerobics classes were on going, was not known to the general public, except to a few of us that received emails.
Most users found out when they showed up at the pool.
No announcement to the general public and as far as I know, no posting on SCA web site.
A few of us opted to attend the Board of Directors meeting on May 24, 2018 in hope to present our case and ask that the closing of the pool be discussed before the Health and Fitness committee.
This committee no longer exists and I believe the Management and Fitness entity took its place.
That means don’t bring any problems to the people that are part of the problem.
To my surprise, Management put the pool issue on the agenda.
They made an opening statement that the pool was closed because of a threat to me (author of this report), with police recommendation to ban every one from the pool while classes were going on.
Further, Management said they tried to resolve the issues, but could not get the two parties together and because of the threat and racial overtones.
I and one other party, could not question this statement at the time it was made.
At the conclusion of all board business, each person that cared to comment on any subject was given two minutes to make their statements or ask the Board questions. .
When it came to my turn, I asked the board on how many members knew the details behind the closing.
Three members knew something.
I asked the Board to reopen the pool and allow a public hearing to hear all sides of issue.
No reply was received.
After the closing of the meeting, I asked Sandy Seddon, Sun City Anthem General Manager, why she could not get the two sides together and was told that the other party did not want to meet with us.
Furthermore, she could not make them come to the meeting.
I then asked her to provide name(s) of who made the racial comment, but was told she would not.
Since a police report was filed and an investigation conducted, it is a matter of public record and I believe names of people are/should be made public.
I will have to consider legal action to obtain this information and possibly legal action against the person who made this a racial issue.
Let’s face it, the General Manager could have forced the other party(s) to meet with us, by simply stating that if they did not show up, she would close the classes taught by the instructor who’s class is causing the problems.
I then asked Sandy Seddon how I could start a petition to get the pool reopened.
I am considering doing a petition; but frankly, talking to the chairman after the meeting, indications are it would do no good.
I asked the chairman about where I can get financial information on how the classes get paid and who benefits.
I then asked, do the residents subsidize the aerobic classes?
He said yes, but it is very little.
Management had previously denied that we subsidized the classes.
The chairman also told me part of the decision to close the pool was because of similar action taken at Anthem.
This was due to the same instructor insisting that swimmers and talkers prevented her from conducting her class.
I pointed out that the two swim/walker lanes at Anthem were closed after strenuous objections by many in Anthem, but because we were assured that no classes would be conducted in any of the Liberty pools, nor children be allowed at those facilities, the decision was accepted.
It would take another recall election to get a board that listens to the community.
After the meeting, I felt like a woman that was raped and then blamed for dressing improperly and accused of “asking for it”.
A General Manager who cannot get two parties together to resolve issues and makes a lot more money than a two star general that is responsible for the lives of 15-20K soldiers and billions worth of equipment, in my eyes, should not be running this community.
Sorry, Sandy, you took the easy way out.
I will be filing a request to get the financial details about the financing of the classes, as well how much subsidizing is being done to pay fitness instructors.
I know we do subsidize clubs, but we should not be doing this for elective classes and personal instructions.
Anyone that has financial savvy and wants to assist in examining the books, I would appreciate their help.
That is, if we are not blocked from examining the books.
Contact me at:
I do thank the board and our General Manager for letting us express our views.
All parties conducted themselves in a dignified and calm manner.
However, next time a major issue comes up, I recommend adequate notice be given to the public so people can make plans to attend meetings and be given a lot more time than two minutes to express their anger or praise or ask questions.
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Wednesday, May 23, 2018
Sun City Anthem Resident Questions Recent Decision Regarding Liberty Center Indoor Pool
Sun City Anthem Resident Shares Liberty Center Pool Concern
Urges Those Affected to Attend Board Meeting
by
Samuel Novotny
Sun City Anthem Resident
I do not know if you are aware that today Management decided to close the Liberty pool while water aerobics are being conducted in the thermal pool.
The excuse is that there have been complaints by members of the class, one or two people, that people in the pool disrupt their class by talking.
Only one instructor and her class are complaining.
The other instructor has no problem with people using the pool at the time of her classes.
The situation was further aggravated by a threat of one member against the author of this article, claiming I made a hate crime statement against the instructor and that she ( lady making this claim) had a friend on the police department and severe consequences will follow.
Further comments were made that the instructor’s husband was in the military and had guns.
These comments were made in the ladies locker room and reported to Management by three people who heard the comment.
Two meetings were held with management which basically said this should be dealt with by police.
Complaints were filed with the police.
No action other than police allegedly talking to the person making the statement (who denied making the statement) and then allegedly telling management that one option was to ban people from the pool while classes were going on.
As you can see, the victims get punished and the perpetrator of the threat is allowed to continue monopolizing the facilities.
The general public had not been informed of the decision until yesterday and there have not been any discussions with the committee responsible for all matters dealing with fitness and the pools, Health and Fitness committee, nor were comments solicited from the general membership, many of whom are unaware of what is happening.
I would like to remind the readers of your blog that members were promised that no classes, nor children would be allowed into the pools at Liberty.
The only time classes were held there, was when the Anthem pool or its locker rooms were being renovated.
No classes were held in the thermal pool.
Current classes were initiated when a member of the staff working at Liberty Center made the recommendation that classes be started in the thermal pool.
No considerations were made that working out in 88 degree temperatures for an hour can affect people with heart conditions and diabetes, nor the fact that is a small pool and contains seven lights covered by steel covers, so movements can cause injuries to peoples feet.
Further, it was not discussed with the general membership on what was proposed, which I am sure would have generated lots of negative comments.
This topic will be discussed at the Thursday, May 24, 2018 Board meeting if the public is allowed to comment.
I am hoping you can publish this article before the meeting so people can attend and voice their comments.
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From Valerie Lapin...to...Anthem Opinions
In the article above it was mentioned that “the perpetrator is unscathed while the victim is punished”.
This is exactly what happened to me when I complained about a bully and her nasty behavior in the Pan Club. -
From Buddy Greenfield...to...Anthem Opinions
You have to be kidding? Close the pool during class?
Why not close the pool when bocci ball is being played?
One has nothing to do with the other.
I cannot believe this place.
That is ridiculous and just another reason as to why this overpaid General Manager needs to go !
This community no longer belongs to the residents.
Why can't this Board see that?
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From Roseann P...to...Anthem Opinions
Now I've heard everything!!
These instructors are getting paid..... We the residents...can't use our indoor pool because they're claiming too much talking is going on!!
"My suggestion: do away with these classes!"
I want to use the indoor pool to avoid the sun!!
Now I can't!!
What is happening to this community?? -
From Carol Sackley...to...Anthem Opinions
I’m not going to comment on the controversy, but just want to clarify that warm water classes have been held in the thermal pool for at least 6 years that I know of.
I have arthritis and warm water aqua classes are exactly what my doctors have recommended.
It was another selling point when we purchased our home in Sun City.
Those facts stated in the letter are not accurate. -
Carol & Sam,
Did a bit of research, and you both may be right on this one...
...looks like it might depend on what exercise you do.
Suggest you read this link, then send us a comment.
Do we have any doctors out there who might give us an opinion? -
From Carol Sackley...to...Anthem Opinions
My point was not to debate the optimal temperature of a therapeutic pool, but to respond to his inaccurate statement that classes were not held in the Liberty Center until the Anthem pool renovations took place.
I can only speak for the last 6 years, but warm water classes have been there for all those years, very popular, have to sign up ahead of time to guarantee a spot.
I was also annoyed to hear they weren’t going to allow the use of the lap pool during that time (if that’s true) because I often use the lap pool there in cooler weather.
When the Anthem Pool classes were moved over during the repairs, that meant neither pool could be used in the mornings unless you attended a class.
Plus the aggravation of having the Liberty Center closed for a year. So if this is true, I hope they can work out something so that once again we will be able to use the lap pool! -
From Phyllis Abrams...to...Anthem Opinions
I live at SCA and attend warm water pool classes with Lolita. I attend the night classes
I'm not effected by this current situation.
I've heard the rumors and everyone is upset about the changes.
If these people are harassing Lolita and her class, then they should be banned from the pool, not all the innocent people wanting to use the pool.
I've witnessed residents acting absolutely horrible towards the monitor.
Bob was on duty Tuesday night and was harassed by several people that were told to leave the big pool.
I'm am sickened by all these mature people acting like A-------😡
Grow up people and stop ruining our reputation for being the best place to live.
If you are that miserable.....move. -
Hang on Phyllis.
There are always two sides to every story, and your opinion has every bit the merit as others.
However, telling people to move is rude if they don't agree with you, and frankly that line is as old as the hills, and is a bit too similar to another blog who relishes such derogatory commentary.
Mr. Novotny, whether or not you disagree with him, provided a very professional explanation.
As you can see, Carol Sackley also disagreed with Mr. Novotny, but she ELOQUENTLY stated her position without any derogatory comment.
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Since the heated pool at Liberty Center is classified as a therapeutic pool with certain accommodations for individuals with disabilities or medical conditions, such as arthritis or recovery from surgery (i.e physical therapy and its required at home exercises), perhaps the manager, board and all knowing well over budget attorney are treading on violations of the Federal ADA, Americans with Disabilities Act!
In reading your blog today, the woman who wrote the letter about the pool, indicated that the clubs were subsidized.
I have never heard this and I am curious what clubs are subsidized and how?
I am a member of the pan and mah jongg club and never heard anything about any money coming from anything, other than the dues it costs to belong.
Thanks for any light you and shed on this situation.
This is the most ridiculous issue that I have ever seen.
Shame on the Board.
Shame on Sandy Seddon.
Shame on the instructor and the people involved.
Because of their personal bias, anyone wishing to use our facilities when these few people are present, will be inconvenienced.
This sets a precedent that anyone that wants to complain without merit and wants to remain private and secretive, could destroy any of the amenities that SCA offers.
I cannot put in words the disappointment that I feel for all involved.
As to what the amount is, I believe that information can be obtained through a Document Request form.
Let us know if you pursue this matter. I'm sure most of our community is unaware that fitness instructors are association subsidized.
ANYTIME race is brought into the equation, you KNOW it's a desperate act on one party's part - mainly because that party's complaint is unfounded and without merit.......kind of like the 'little boy who cried Wolf'
Ergo: James Coleman's ridiculous "ethnicity" rant.
It accomplished nothing other than his being responsible along with his "blogger" pal, for bringing the ugly subject of "racism" into what has always been a "colorblind" community.
Another way to harm the residents!
Will this behavior ever stop?
What once was a wonderful place to live is now a dictatorship where owners are being taken advantage of while the manager laughs all the way to the bank.